2 Generations 1 Mic
Explore the journey of an intergenerational and intercultural couple navigating life, love, and the unique challenges of a 25-year age gap. At 36 and 61, they bring together two different generations, cultures, perspectives, and life experiences, while making it work.
2 Generations 1 Mic
Don't call an ambulance, call an UBER.
What if navigating healthcare on two continents could be both enlightening and filled with humor? Join us, a couple with a 25-year age gap, as we share our unique journey through the healthcare landscapes of Spain, Italy, and the United States. Our personal story highlights the surprising affordability and accessibility of Spain's dual healthcare system, where government negotiations ensure top-notch care without breaking the bank. From scheduling appointments with a tap on an app to having comprehensive insurance coverage for a minimal premium, we unravel the ease and efficiency of Spanish healthcare.
Unexpected medical challenges abroad can be daunting, but our experiences in Spain and Italy turned into eye-opening adventures. Picture a man in severe pain from gallstones opting for an Uber over a free ambulance out of sheer ignorance! From gallbladder removal to cancer treatments, our narrative showcases how Spain’s healthcare system made it all manageable, offering financial and emotional relief. A health scare in Italy added another layer to our story, reminding listeners of the importance of understanding local healthcare systems to avoid surprises while traveling.
As we examine the stark contrasts in healthcare systems and drug pricing, the discussion takes a serious turn. The lack of preventive care and aggressive pharmaceutical practices in the U.S. starkly contrast with Spain's patient-centered approach and rational prescription practices. We critique the influence of pharmaceutical giants in America and champion the equitable healthcare found across Europe. This episode invites listeners to reflect on the disparities and consider how more equitable solutions could transform healthcare experiences, urging a reevaluation of the profit-driven American system.
Welcome to Two Generations.
Speaker 2:One mic.
Speaker 1:We're a couple. We've been together for.
Speaker 2:I don't know you. No, just kidding.
Speaker 1:People always ask us that how did you guys meet? I say, well, you know, she called a male escort and I was the Uber driver. But we've been together for 12 years, married for 10, and there's a 25-year age difference between us. So a couple of different generations to deal with. I'm right there on that cusp of Gen X baby boomer.
Speaker 2:I'm 61 years old, you're a baby boomer, okay technically baby boomer 61 years old.
Speaker 1:I'm right on the edge. Gen X is one year off and your name is Mark, aka my trophy husband. Yeah, fifth place, sixth place, whatever.
Speaker 2:My name is Andreina, aka Andy, because nobody can pronounce that. I am 36 years old and I am international beauty business owner. And here we are in this episode that we're going to talk about healthcare in Europe. We call this episode don't call an ambulance, call an Uber. Because that's truly one of the phrases that came out of my husband's mouth when his gallbladder was exploding and he thought oh man, I really should take a warm bath. I think that's going to make it better. But well, like if you've seen our other episodes, we live half of the year here in the US. We live half of the year in Spain. All our medical is done in Spain and there's a reason for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when people say all the time that I see this from different news organizations and blogs and people say, oh, I don't want socialized medicine. They don't know anything about European medicine or how it works. All they're doing is listening and repeating things that they hear on television. You should actually talk to people that live there and live those experiences, and the number one thing about living there is taking advantage of the European and the Spain in general medical system, because every country in Europe is different and we feel we've been there for six years Spain is probably one of the best in the world. Now, let me preface this by saying they do have socialized medicine.
Speaker 1:Now, when that is spoken of, people don't know what that means, but the way Spain does it is. They have two different systems. So, for the general population, what they did was they went to big health care, big pharmaceutical and the insurance companies. They set them all down and said look, we're not going to allow you to grossly overprofit on our citizens' health care. It's not going to happen. However, if you will cut us a deal, our government will pay you and you ensure and take care of all of our citizens in our social security system, which is everybody that pays into the social security system through taxes, which is everybody that pays into the social security system through taxes, and they pay 27% income tax there if you make less than 1 million euros per year. So that's basically the tax rate. So that covers your health care. So that includes all your medical. It includes your medicine. Now, it's not everything free medicine, but we're talking almost free. It's like a dollar to $4. Well, it's 90% free medicine, but we're talking almost free.
Speaker 2:It's like a dollar to four dollars. Well, it's 90 percent of the price. The prices.
Speaker 1:So 90 percent of the country uses that health care. So the insurance companies were going. What am I going to do? How are we going to make any money if 90 percent of the people are using the free health care through the socialism system? And, by the way, there's not long lines for everything. Now, for some specialists you do have to wait a little bit, but you can get in to see doctors all the time on that system, no problem. But the other system is the private health care system, which is what we started with and we still have it's five star state of the art. And it was.
Speaker 2:if the way it's designed is, let's say, big signa or the united health care, anything went out and got the best doctors available well, most of the doctors, I gotta say, like most of the doctors, actually work in the morning time at this uh public health care hospitals and then in the afternoon, because you can see a doctor at 8 pm, they work for the private.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they work for usually like yeah they work for both, but they went out and built their own hospitals. So the insurance companies have their own hospitals. The doctors don't have separate offices, they just office in the hospital. They set up amazing apps that when we want to see a doctor and I've done tick tocks about this before where I can literally on my app, pull up any kind of specialist, like today, if we literally, from here, I could say you know what? I really need to talk to a neurologist, I'd like to have a video chat and I just go okay, when's the first one available? Boom, okay, it's going to be like 2 o'clock this afternoon. I have a video chat with a neurologist. You, I have a video chat with a neurologist you can do that with. There's a laundry list of specialists you can talk to. You get all your appointments through there. Everything's managed through there. You check in through there when you go into the hospitals. It's unbelievably easy.
Speaker 1:Our insurance program we have covers every single appointment you have. It covers any hospitalization, every single thing. And just understand this we pay. When we started this thing with insurance for us as a couple, we pay $187 per month, zero copay, total. There's no extra money. No testing. No, I saw a specialist. No, oh, I went to get surgery. I got to pay a hospital too and an anesthesiologist. None of that. Everything is included in our monthly premium. Now that's gone up because in five years I've gone through a little bit of some medical problems there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but let me ask you something. Do you think, as a white American boy, that you are well no, being born and raised here in the US? Do you really think that health care is a privilege or a right?
Speaker 1:Do I personally? I think it should be a right. I think the government should help you.
Speaker 2:But growing up here, what does it feel like?
Speaker 1:Well, here, no, it's a business, that's all it is. Here it's a business.
Speaker 2:The health care system in America is designed to make money period, but does it feel like, when you have health insurance, that you have an extra privilege, that you have like an extra benefit?
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's privilege. I think that everybody you have to have health care.
Speaker 2:It's something you have to have, yeah, but you don't have that in America. People don't have health care in America.
Speaker 1:Everyone doesn't have it. Yes, it's very hard. You have to have jobs we don't have health care in America. Right, but the people that do pay a ton of money for it a ton of money. They usually get it through their jobs and they pay for it. It doesn't include everything. You have to pay co-pays to doctors. If you had to go see a specialist, you have to get that one doctor to recommend you to another doctor and all this other nonsense that they do.
Speaker 2:Remember when we, when we were living in LA, like we used to because we own our own business we used to have that um, what was it like?
Speaker 1:Blue.
Speaker 2:Cross Blue Shield, and for both of us. Oh, and Tiffany, your daughter was in there, which, by the way, tiffany, she's my age, my best friend, tiffany, I love you. Um, you, it was the three of us, and I saw the bill the other day.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I was throwing away papers and we were paying $2,200 a month for the three of us, like the three of us as a business owner. What, yeah, it's, it's incredibly. And then again, that policy, like every other policy, requires you to pay more money to other people to get involved oh, ten thousand dollar deductible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you had to pay ten thousand dollar deductibles and then again, if god forbid, you had to go to a hospital, because then all the bills at the hospital and you get nine million other bills from people. Uh, specialists, oh, we saw a doctor, oh, we had to do two blood tests. Why? Well, because we needed to make some more money. It's all a bunch of nonsense. So, it's all for-profit health care.
Speaker 2:When we say this don't call an ambulance, call an Uber. Happens to me twice already in my life with him. One of these times was Memorial Day weekend, I don't know Labor.
Speaker 1:Day, weekend life with him.
Speaker 2:one of these times was uh memorial day weekend, I don't know the one labor day weekend, and this man starts throwing up blood like he's the exorcist and I'm like, bear in mind, we have no health care here back in the day because we decided, okay, we don't have to pay them monthly, we can just make a little bit of like a fund in case we get sick. Yeah, that didn't work out.
Speaker 2:And we, you started throwing up blood and I told you we got to go to the hospital and you're like, no, no, no, I'm going to be fine. I'm like you're throwing up blood, that's not okay. And we, actually I told him let's call an ambulance. He's like that's like $10,000. I was like what an ambulance is like ten thousand, what, what, whatever? Um, he's like, no, no, you drive me to the hospital. I was like, okay, we're here, we go. And I'm driving him to the hospital like he's throwing up blood in a bag. We get to the hospital and they, they got us in pretty fast, right. And I remember that they kept asking for the insurance card. I said we're going to pay cash, we don't have insurance. And well, what's your social security number? I'm like I'm not going to give you that because I'm going to pay cash, so you don't need that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's another thing. Do not ever give your social security number in a hospital. They don't need that nonsense. They don't need that. Yeah, that's another thing.
Speaker 2:Do not ever give your social security number in a hospital.
Speaker 1:No they don't need that, any of that nonsense. They don't need any of that nonsense.
Speaker 2:If you're paying cash, they don't need that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I remember, like they got you in, they came to take your vitals and they took blood because they wanted to know what type of blood you were, which we already knew your type of blood, because we know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they'll always take blood to make sure.
Speaker 2:And they came like no, no, we need to make sure. I'm like I'm telling you his blood type. No, no, we need to do the test. I was like so you can charge me. Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2:And then the doctor came and she gave you like a pantoprazole, injected you right, which, uh, to stop the bleeding in his stomach because he had an ulcer that burst open. And he, the doctor, said I think he needs to stay the night. I'm like that ain't happening. That's gonna be like thirty thousand dollars. I'm like that's not happening. I'd rather fly him to mexico at this point than just let him stay. And the doctor, doctor is like well, I'm like is he still bleeding? She's like no. I'm like, ok, I'm taking him home with me. She's like, yeah, but you know what? What happens if it? I'm like I'll figure it out. But like what, do you want to keep him? She's like OK, so I'm going to prescribe him some pentaprazole.
Speaker 2:And at this point they asked me for how am I going to pay for this? I said here's my credit card, everything you're going to charge, like everything you're going to charge me right now. Here's my credit card, just take it. They get me a bill. They're signing the release papers and I said this is it? At this point it was just like a two-hour visit in the ER and our bill was $6,000. And I said this is it? Yes, ma'am, this is all I'm going to pay. Yes, I'm not going to pay anything else, correct? Okay, here's my credit card. Charge me. We went back, got your medicine. Two weeks later we got a $28,000 bill paid on the mail. I was like wait, what I'm like? What is this for? Of course, the doctor, the nurse, the other nurse, the other nurse, the the receptionist charge the pantoprazole another doctor that they had another doctor talk to on the phone yeah, uh, the pantoprazole injection he got was about like 10 grand.
Speaker 2:I'm like it's, it's, it's, it's pantoprazole. It shouldn about like 10 grand. I'm like it's, it's, it's, it's pantoprazole, it shouldn't cost 10 grand.
Speaker 1:And the tissues that he used on the on there and yeah, it's all the nonsense stuff that they create to generate a bill, to generate profit. They don't care about your health, all they want to do is generate profit. Yeah, and we told him we're not paying it. Sorry, not paying it, that's so wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we told him we're not paying it. Sorry not paying it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I fought with them on the phone and at the end, they discharged it because I said like this is what happened, I'm not going to pay for anything else outside the hospital. And when he had the same problem in Spain. This is a night where we're about to go to bed and he is like oh my God, my back hurts so bad. I'm like, do you want to go to the hospital? But in mind, we're already in spain. He has full like coverage, health care, right, everything, right like everything. I'm like you want to go to the hospital? No, I'll be fine, I'm just gonna take a warm bath. I'm like you don't look good. He's like you know what. It's'll be fine, I'm just going to take a warm bath. I'm like you don't look good. He's like you know what. It's going to be fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the bath didn't work. That was not a work that did. You felt like that process didn't work.
Speaker 2:You felt like you were being.
Speaker 1:I felt like by the time I got to the bathtub, I literally felt like somebody was hitting me in the back with a baseball bat. Baseball bat. It's one of the worst pains I've ever had in my life and I could barely walk. And at that point she was like she says well, I'm going to call an ambulance. And again, being an American, you're thinking every time somebody says an ambulance, you're like, oh God, that's 12, $15,000. Cause, that's my mindset.
Speaker 2:And she goes, I'm calling an ambulance, I'm like, and then we, you know, I said, let's just take an Uber. And we did. He made me order an Uber. I told the Uber we need to get to the hospital now. He's like why didn't you call an ambulance? I'm like I don't know, ask this guy, that is. He couldn't walk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at this point the guy just literally opened the door and I fell out and kind of on my hands and knees and was crawling up the thing to the emergency room because I couldn't even walk.
Speaker 2:So this guy, they're asking like okay, who brought him? I was like me. I'm like where's the ambulance, right Like the hospital. Like no, we took an Uber. They're like, okay, what's happening? So at this point, his gallbladder, his gallbladder ducts, the bile ducts are clogged with stones.
Speaker 1:And he has to be put on morphine. Yeah, they had to give him morphine in the emergency room.
Speaker 2:That's how bad the pain was for this man that took an Uber instead of an ambulance.
Speaker 1:Now not realizing or acknowledging that the ambulance is free in Spain. Whether you have insurance or not, if you're going there on a vacation and you're a tourist and something happens, you fall down, call an ambulance. It's free because again, they're not there to make money off of you. They're there to make sure you are healthy and you are cured. That's their job. So the whole thing we did in Spain we saw specialists.
Speaker 2:You spent like seven days in the hospital I was in the hospital for seven days.
Speaker 1:Did they do the biotech stand or they also did the surgery? I don't remember. They had to do the biotech stand or they also did the surgery. I don't remember. But they ended up taking out my gallbladder, but not that time.
Speaker 2:They took the gallbladder after.
Speaker 1:All these tests and all these specialists that came in, all everything they did, everything the whole hospital say every single thing cost us zero dollars, zero, all part of our $187 a month premium pay that we paid for the couple. Now again, I always said this was like five, six years ago and it's gone up because at that same time I was also diagnosed with prostate cancer and so that was a whole thing. I went through all the treatment for that and everything we did again cost me nothing extra at all. I had an mri done there that they don't even really do in the us because it's too costly. It's 3 000 images they take parametric multi-parametric.
Speaker 1:They do from all these different angles, and it was unbelievably expensive. In the us they very, very rarely did it and it was like almost like 10 grand to try to get it done anywhere in the States. But so they did all this stuff, all this treatment, all this treatment that I had for the prostate cancer which, by the way, uh, I'm now cancer free, thank God. That was five years ago, so, knock on wood, it was good I. I survived that, no problem. But the um, all that treatment. It cost me nothing, extra nothing. And, uh, I had a few other things that I had to go there for. Uh, over the time now I've probably been in and out probably five different times in the hospital for different things procedures over that period of time, and our insurance. Of course they raised it because you know we're using a lot of benefits, but it went from $187 to $287. That's it.
Speaker 2:No, it was like a 20 euro. I mean, yeah, throughout the years. No, through the years, From then to now $287.
Speaker 1:So all those things I had done, they've raised it $100.
Speaker 2:At some point I thought, man, they're just going to kick us out of the insurance. This man is using it. So I mean he swears he's the healthiest man which he is, except for the cancer, the gallbladder, the ulcer in the stomach, the hiatal hernia and like seven procedures he's gone through Throwing up blood in Amalfi. Coast.
Speaker 1:Amalfi Coast. First day on vacation on the Amalfi Coast I go to the pool. I had one drink. I start staggering around and she's like what's wrong with you? You can drink a lot, why are you so? You can't even walk. And I said I don't know, it just hit me so hard. We go upstairs.
Speaker 2:Okay, but so, to preface this, we're on a vacation in the Amalfi Coast and we just got to the hotel, and one of the things my husband loves to do when we get to hotels is go to the pool bar or the bar, whatever. And this time this is a man that can drink a lot. I don't know if that's a skill or a problem, but he can drink a lot and he doesn't get hangovers, which I hate him for, and my blood work is immaculate and he doesn't get hangovers, which I hate him for and my blood work is immaculate.
Speaker 2:I know, yeah, I always say, please liver, this time it's going to come. No, his liver is perfect. So this is a man that can drink a lot. And then he had one. I think you had a Mai Tai.
Speaker 1:One drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like a Mai Tai or something I had a beer, he had a Mai Tai and he can't walk, he can't talk, he's just slurring out. I'm like, did he get roofied? Like what's happening right now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember. You literally thought that, because, again, this happens all the time too I don't drink beer and she drinks beer. I do, and so I drink wine or I drink cocktails, so notoriously no matter where we go.
Speaker 1:I don't drink Cosmos. I drink like you drink martinis, yeah, but like vodka martinis I drink. I'll drink alcohol, but I don't really drink beer per se. So every time we get beer and a wine at a restaurant bar, whatever, they always give me the beer. And so you thought in a restaurant bar, whatever, they always give me the beer. And so you thought, okay, maybe somebody was trying to roofie me because you ordered a Mai Tai and I had a beer, like a man. So she ordered the beer, I had a Mai Tai, and she thought they switched the drinks. But somebody tried to roofie me or roofie you and I got the wrong drink and maybe that's what it was.
Speaker 2:So for the man that never gets drunk, we go upstairs and we get to the bathroom. I make him throw up. And this is like deja vu, right? This is like la.
Speaker 1:All over again he's throwing up blood like exorcist number two right and when she says that, know that when we say I'm throwing up blood, it wasn't like, oh, I'm throwing up and I have some spots of blood. No, it literally is like the exorcist I am hurling blood.
Speaker 2:So at this point, I'm like, oh no, ulcer number two. Ok, so we go, I call the front desk and I said, please call me an ambulance. And now, bear in mind, we're in Italy this time, we're not in Spain. And now, bear in mind, we're in Italy. This time we're not in Spain, but our insurance is good all over the EU and even outside the EU, right, a little bit, how you call it, like the emergency outside the EU Right.
Speaker 1:So if we had something here, for example, we could call, we have twenty thousand dollars worth of emergency quick care that we could get.
Speaker 2:We still need to get an Uber, because that will only cover the ambulance, emergency quick care that we could get.
Speaker 1:We still need to get an Uber because that will only cover the ambulance. We have to take the Uber again.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so they call the ambulance. He gets. I mean, we're in the Amalfi Coast. If you guys look at the Amalfi Coast in the map, it's just a hill right and there's nothing but a mountain. So we get taken to the emergency center, not a hospital that only has one doctor, and that was it and it's so tiny they won't even let people go in they didn't let me in because it was still kobe times and you were on the street with the other women street with the other women that speak no english, no spanish.
Speaker 2:Nobody spoke. I mean, I understand Italian, but I cannot speak it fast enough to to explain what's happening, with my husband throwing up blood, and at that point we just we didn't have to pay anything for the ambulance either. That was great. He got taken care of in there. They got another pantopress all there and we knew what happened to him like the first time and I took him back home, back to the hotel. Back to the hotel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which we went back. Actually that night he goes. You could go back tonight. Yeah, because remember they were like you could stay for a little bit and we were on vacation. It was our first day and I had already rented a yacht to take us to Capri, so we were going on a yacht trip the next morning. I'm like I'm not missing this, I'm not dead, so I'm not missing this trip to Capri on a yacht that we rented already.
Speaker 1:I mean priorities, you know, live life, go home. Or you know, go big or go home.
Speaker 2:And so we left. If I die, let me die on my yacht in Capri.
Speaker 1:On the bucket list. So we ended up going back to the hotel. I was fine, got up the next day, went to Capri, was fine.
Speaker 2:Again, all this cost us $0. And from now on he knows that ordering an ambulance is okay. We last time, he what happened? Oh, you passed out, right Next time, like you were in Spain. We happened oh, you passed out, right Next time, like you were in Spain. We were in Spain and you passed out.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got dehydrated.
Speaker 2:You had, yeah, you got dehydrated.
Speaker 1:Extremely dehydrated.
Speaker 2:And he passed out because, you know like, he took the wrong medication instead of taking his blood pressure medication, he took a diuretic and just passed out. And this time he decided to call an ambulance yes and um again another ambulance. We got to the er you know they know me now.
Speaker 1:When I walk in I'm like mark, hey, what's up?
Speaker 2:at this point he's like vip, because I'm like now what happened. It'm like now what happened.
Speaker 1:It's like hold on, hold on. And now what happened? Hold on hold on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here's the gringo again and yeah, all this has happened and, honestly, this is the way it should be. This is the way you should feel, Like I'm terrified of something happening to him here in Spain. I mean sorry, here in the US because we're not in Spain my puppies, we have three dogs, senior dogs, and the veterinarian is the same thing Like our vet in Spain gives us medicine just in case something happens to them here and everybody says, yeah, but you know what? And honestly, doctors in Spain, they don't make a lot of money.
Speaker 2:Like we asked the cardiologist, the other day how much money he makes, and he makes 35,000 euros a year.
Speaker 1:As a cardiologist, as a cardiologist.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have student debt, right, that's not a thing.
Speaker 1:I've had people I say that on social media and I've had people say to me like yeah, but how do they pay their student loans for his medical school? And I said there is no student loans for medical school, that's an American thing. So there, if you can pass, the college is free. Grad school is free.
Speaker 2:Well, you pay like 200 euros a year.
Speaker 1:When I say free, everybody wants to fight about semantics too. Oh, they're paying tax again. 27% taxes goes all to these things. It covers your social net of your retirement, your disability, your health care and your college is all covered under that program. You have to pay for some books, but it's not a lot of money and you can do all that. As long as you can pass the tests, then you can do it. And if you're older, like if you're an older person and you're saying I'm going to change my career, go back to school, you can go to college. They will do all of that for you and also give you a stipend every month of like four or 500 euros a month so that you can have money to eat and live on while you're retraining for another job. So that's another thing. It's just part of their social system which works.
Speaker 2:But that's the way it should be and to me it baffles me when people have to create a GoFundMe campaign so they can pay Like you shouldn't have to go to debt because you're sick. And the problem here in the us is, like you guys don't do preventive health care. You never go toa doctor. I get it you because it's expensive, but you only go when it's too late yes, how many times she said do you want to go see the so-and-so ologist?
Speaker 1:And I'm like I think you're just making that up.
Speaker 2:That's not even a real job.
Speaker 1:That's not even a job.
Speaker 2:You're just making words up now At a renal angologist, the ear, nose and throat doctor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just, we don't, we don't. We just see the regular guy and then maybe a couple of specialists here and there, and then you're good.
Speaker 2:But that's why you guys, it's so late when you guys like. It's too late Only because I made you and I made you go to see a urologist that's when they discover your prostate cancer but it was almost too late. Thank God they caught it early it wasn't that early, it was almost too late.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, we did get lucky there. The other thing, too about the system is you can't have a system like that and then charge exorbitant amount of prices for the drugs, and that's another thing that is absolutely ludicrous in the price of drugs in America and the price of drugs there. So first of all, they have laws set up there too. Every pharmacy has to have the same price for name brand drugs and generic drugs. Drugs have to have the exact same price.
Speaker 2:And all the pharmacies in the country have the same oh no, well, it's by community actually.
Speaker 1:They have the same price, like every pharmacy in Madrid has to have the same price. It wouldn't be like Walgreens has one price and Walmart and CVS they all have separate prices. No, whatever the drug price is, everyone has to charge the exact same thing, whether it's generic or whether it's name brand. And I have actual TikTok videos of this too. When you needed to take medication, if you remember, you had to take a medication and we looked in New York at the time at five different pharmacies and one week supply of medicine was $500 a week. For that supply of medicine the exact same medicine we got from our pharmacy in Spain downstairs it was $4.53. So that just shows you the ludicrous nonsense that they do in America. They're also not showing drug commercials on television in Spain because they're not trying to make as much money as possible.
Speaker 2:Well, because the doctors, they're not being paid by the labs anything.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Like the doctors, just prescribe you what you need and not what they're going to get paid a vacation for, like by the labs.
Speaker 1:Oh, and also, too, you know how, here, when you go to the pharmacy, everything's so secretive and, oh my gosh, it's such a thing. We have to go to the pharmacy that's sitting way up high and looking down on you and, oh my god, the pharmacist is here and he's gonna he's going to scoop out the 10 pills that I'm allowed to take. And here they are, in the childproof thing, which is such again, if you drop a pill, then you're total nonsense over there when we say, oh, hey, we got it here.
Speaker 1:First of all, you don't have to have a prescription for everything over there. And if you say, oh, I need, I need a 30 months, why my blood pressure medicine? They don't go oh, here's your 10 pills unless it's something like really, really right, like my mom right now your mom is on she's on um.
Speaker 2:She has a. That's another story, but my mother has um degenerative bone disease that right now she has to be on fentanyl patches and for the fentanyl yes something that it's very controlled and very still cheap. We paid one euro for five patches, yeah, but it's very's very controlled. That is very controlled, but blood pressure medication.
Speaker 1:Blood pressure medication Things you need on an everyday basis what?
Speaker 2:are you going to do OD? No, blood pressure medication.
Speaker 1:But my point was they're not sitting there and measuring out your 10 pills with a little cap. They're like here's a box of 30. You're good for the month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's the way.
Speaker 1:What if I? What if I? I only needed 10? Well, are you an adult? Okay, here's your box of 30. Yeah, You're good for a while.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Right, we don't need to control every aspect of your life. Or I need something for my sinus medicine. Where's all your ID? Cause maybe you'll make meth out of it. They just like what? Are you retarded, you stupid? And when I that, I don't mean any disrespect to like the special needs community, I mean like you're just stupid here.
Speaker 2:If you if you're going to make crystal. I don't even know what they do meth or whatever.
Speaker 1:You're going to make meth out of your sinus medicine. You deserve to die. Just die, because that's that's called darwinism in action. We don't. The rest of the world shouldn't have to live rules by your stupidity. So here's your medicine. Take it the way it's supposed to be taken and live your life. And that's the way they approach things in Europe.
Speaker 2:And they don't have, like, an opioid crisis. No, they do, here and again, like they love to prescribe pain medication for everything, but there's not an opioid crisis.
Speaker 1:Not at all.
Speaker 2:And it's.
Speaker 1:So again, that's what you take from this. The American care system is full of nonsense and it's just designed for everybody to make a bunch of money.
Speaker 2:We need to change that.
Speaker 1:You need to change that. It will never change, sadly, here, as long as the health care, big pharmaceutical and insurance companies continue to pay off politicians on both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2:So if there's a politician watching right now and you are part of the problem. I really hope you go to hell, because health care should be absolutely available for everyone and the prices of medication shouldn't have to be exorbitant like they are, because it's the same lab. Same lab that produces the medication I take in Spain is the same lab that here is trying to charge me $400 because they're paying you probably $200. So shame on you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you're one of those doctors that's doing all that, you're part of the problem, because these companies are going to continue to make money by paying off politicians on both sides Democrats and Republicans to make sure nothing ever changes. Democrats and Republicans, to make sure nothing ever changes. Because it's one of the biggest profit profiting companies industries in America. They don't want it to change. They don't want it to change because they're making bank and they don't care about your health care. All they care about is how much money them and their shareholders make. Period, that is it. So I think it's time that they change that. Hopefully they will. They move forward.
Speaker 1:If you just started tuning into this, please like and subscribe, follow us and make sure that you ask us questions. We will respond and give you as much information as we can. If you want to yell at us and tell us oh, it's all socialism, that's fine. I have a laundry list of people all over my social media pages that complain about socialized medicine and they're the first to make GoFundMe pages because they're going bankrupt when they get sick.
Speaker 2:If you're yelling at us because it's socialism, next time you get sick and you need a GoFundMe campaign, think about it.
